Comments on: H.I.V.E. 3.0- Some thoughts on the buzz about emergence http://anewpairofeyes.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/some-thoughts-on-strategy-for-the-supposed-emergence-hive-30/ Spiraling out of the void Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:51:21 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: insomniac http://anewpairofeyes.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/some-thoughts-on-strategy-for-the-supposed-emergence-hive-30/#comment-52 insomniac Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:56:25 +0000 http://anewpairofeyes.wordpress.com/?p=25#comment-52 We all have a tendency to absorb new information into our old models, even when it doesn't fit very well. 8) I know some folks who have had the "experience" many times, yet persist in the belief that it is nothing, but a chemical reaction in the brain that allows them a larger glimpse of reality. That reality still doesn't include anything like Wholeness. It doesn't seem like a personal ego problem... more like a species delusion of grandeur. 8) cheers, jim We all have a tendency to absorb new information into our old models, even when it doesn’t fit very well. 8)

I know some folks who have had the “experience” many times, yet persist in the belief that it is nothing, but a chemical reaction in the brain that allows them a larger glimpse of reality. That reality still doesn’t include anything like Wholeness. It doesn’t seem like a personal ego problem… more like a species delusion of grandeur. 8)

cheers,
jim

]]> By: anewpairofeyes http://anewpairofeyes.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/some-thoughts-on-strategy-for-the-supposed-emergence-hive-30/#comment-51 anewpairofeyes Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:41:37 +0000 http://anewpairofeyes.wordpress.com/?p=25#comment-51 Thank you for your response. I've been reading through your blog and I definitely think that there is a lot we have to talk about. About the "How cool am I?" thing. I think Ken Wilber covers that fairly well with the Wilber-Combs Matrix "a person at any stage can have a peak experience of a gross, subtle, causal, or nondual state. But a person will interpret that state according to the stage they are at" By stage he's referring to the concepts of vertical development that are documented and described by western models of developmental psychology. So someone can be at a very egocentric level of development, and when they have this non-dual experience of the Whole, they interpret it in a very egocentric way. Just like someone who has developed beyond their self-centeredness to a more ethnocentric/conformist stage of development might explain their experience as being given to them by their version of the one true god. Thank you for your response. I’ve been reading through your blog and I definitely think that there is a lot we have to talk about.

About the “How cool am I?” thing. I think Ken Wilber covers that fairly well with the Wilber-Combs Matrix

“a person at any stage can have a peak experience of a gross, subtle, causal, or nondual state. But a person will interpret that state according to the stage they are at”

By stage he’s referring to the concepts of vertical development that are documented and described by western models of developmental psychology. So someone can be at a very egocentric level of development, and when they have this non-dual experience of the Whole, they interpret it in a very egocentric way.

Just like someone who has developed beyond their self-centeredness to a more ethnocentric/conformist stage of development might explain their experience as being given to them by their version of the one true god.

]]> By: insomniac http://anewpairofeyes.wordpress.com/2008/12/30/some-thoughts-on-strategy-for-the-supposed-emergence-hive-30/#comment-50 insomniac Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:28:16 +0000 http://anewpairofeyes.wordpress.com/?p=25#comment-50 Makes sense to me. 8) I'm using some different terminology, but seeing the same holographic relationships. And oh yes, the world takes on a "Whole" new look from this perspective. 8) I have also found that it is not logic that gets you there, but an emotional connection. It seems to me that "feeling" the wholeness comes first and the intellectual connections come later. Meditation, drugs, exhaustion, near death experience, all provide an emotional boost to the concept. It seems to me that some folks interpret the same glow of wholeness as, "How cool am I", and just don't get this inter-connectivity thing at all. It is interesting because i've got this same line of thinking going in several places. Seems a lot of people want to talk about it, huh? There is no doubt in my mind that change is afoot. This new way(actually quite old, but connected to the new by recent discoveries) of looking at our universe really does make a difference in how one behaves. Good job... i'll be back. 8) Cheers, jim Makes sense to me. 8)

I’m using some different terminology, but seeing the same holographic relationships. And oh yes, the world takes on a “Whole” new look from this perspective. 8)

I have also found that it is not logic that gets you there, but an emotional connection. It seems to me that “feeling” the wholeness comes first and the intellectual connections come later. Meditation, drugs, exhaustion, near death experience, all provide an emotional boost to the concept.

It seems to me that some folks interpret the same glow of wholeness as, “How cool am I”, and just don’t get this inter-connectivity thing at all.

It is interesting because i’ve got this same line of thinking going in several places. Seems a lot of people want to talk about it, huh? There is no doubt in my mind that change is afoot. This new way(actually quite old, but connected to the new by recent discoveries) of looking at our universe really does make a difference in how one behaves.

Good job… i’ll be back. 8)

Cheers,
jim

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